I have to say I’m not a big fan of the opinions on assisted suicide expressed by this guest. I can’t speak to the particulars of the MAID program, as I am not a Canadian citizen. And I will readily acknowledge that every government program and the bureaucracy which accompanies it, despite whatever good intentions may have led to its creation, are vulnerable to misapplication and a myriad of abuses. Given the sensitivity of assisted suicide, vigilant oversight is critical and implemented through the most humane methods available.
What I take issue with is Ms. Sheren’s wholesale condemnation (repeatedly punctuated with her “Period Full stop” dismissal of any opposing viewpoint) of assisted suicide and the right of every individual to die with dignity and free of intractable pain, be it physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. I respect the guest’s personal opinions on the subject. She has clearly endured her own life challenges but her position on the subject is undoubtedly biased by personal experience. Her experiences are just that — her experiences — and she is misguided in thinking she can project her experiences and the moral/ethical positions derived from those experiences onto others.
I have my own life experiences and my position on the subject of assisted suicide has been given careful consideration over many years. When my final day comes (and my day is likely approaching much sooner than Ms. Sheren’s), I want the freedom and autonomy to go out on my own terms. And I damn sure don’t want some activist imposing their religious views or moral values on me to deny me that right. For all those seeking to deny me the right to die peacefully at a place and time of my choosing, please provide an address so I can hang myself in your garage or blow my brains out in your living room and spare my loved ones the trauma.
She expresses herself in a very confrontational 'I'm right, you're wrong' kinda way and mixes many issues together ADHD style. MAID track 1 (death is reasonably foreseeable) is very different from MAID track 2 (death does not have to be reasonably foreseeable). It sounds like she is ranting about track 2. I would not want MAID to be denied to track 1 physical ailments because of track 2 fears.
Well said! I was quite shocked when she expressed the view around the person campaigning for an assisted dying law should just go kill themselves rather than try to change the legislation. For anyone who has seriously considered suicide or has watched loved ones suffer with no hope of a better life, “just killing yourself” comes with a whole lot of problems and allowing for a legal and less traumatic way out of this world seems reasonable to me - although I don’t think I’d want it to apply to anyone who wasn’t already terminal. As an example, I wish my dad had been given access to assisted dying. He had terminal cancer but was terrified of hospitals or a long and lingering death so he begged my mum to kill him. This put my mum in an awful position. Needless to say, she refused but I think we were all agreed as a family (I was age 10 at the time) that some sort of legal assisted dying would be welcome.
I agree wholeheartedly with your take here. People should have a right to end their lives in the manner of their choosing, with some reasonable but not excessive precautions.
You may diverge from me here, but I personally own a gun in part to ensure that I have control over my living and dying. (I have a wonderful life and family and two kids and hope to live to 90 or older, to be clear).
However, my younger brother committed suicide 12 years ago at age 26 and he had to go through many painful attempts prior to succeeding and the ultimate method he had to use (helium tank and plastic bags) puts a chill into me whenever I think of it. I actually think he was correct in thinking he was not going to have a happy life regardless of any interventions, and I feel he should have had the right to end his life more humanely, at his own expense and after reasonable precautions were taken.
This interview is akin to Tucker Carlson’s Darryl Cooper interview. If you are going to cover something this inflammatory and controversial, letting someone this paranoid, cynical, biased, and just plain lacking accurate facts speak in such an unchallenged way, you need to rethink the “we are the antidote to the mainstream media” agenda.
MAID is a nuanced topic and this woman is incapable of nuance. As a Canadian, I am getting really tired of the podcasts that are platforming the notion that we are killing citizens for convenience and saving money. The guest clearly implies that this is a coordinated effort on the part of the “system”Are there bad actors, quite possibly. However, it is critical to throughly substantiate claims rather than fear mongering.
Her comment “I’m am not a doctor” says it all about her lack of information regarding the administration of drugs.
If there truly is a problem in Canada with MAID, I want the facts, not the hysterics.
I had surgery under "twighlight" anesthesia, that is a combination of opioid midazolam to remove fear and render you unable to communicate, and well as low dose paralytics that were required for the surgery itself. I had a paradoxical reaction to the drugs, and instead of thigh light, I got hyperalert, but paralysed. It was only in this point when I understood the pain medication they were using was intravenous paracetamol. Unfortunately, in my case paracetamol has almost no effect in controlling pain. You can imagine the rest. The surgery took roughly an hour, and left me with a PTSD, as well as deep distrust in medical staff that outright ridiculed me claiming I had been in deeply relaxed state.
Now, decade after the incident, this interview rings home all too well. You have no idea one feels like unable communicate what's going on, in unbelievable pain, with no hope but that of others realising you're in distress, and realising they believe you're peaceful. To die like that, is the worst of cruelty. Its inhumane, sadistic torture, and I truly hope the message gets across quickly, as trust me, you really do not want to die like that.
Asphyxiation via nitrogen or helium guarantees loss of consciousness and a painless death. I don’t understand why this isn’t the preferred method of euthanasia (and capital punishment).
I have said the same thing to my wife. I said that when I decide to go, I will go to the party store and buy a helium tank, and then run it through my CPAP mask and go to sleep on the couch. All that needs to be done after I am gone is to take off the mask and throw the tank away.
I’ve watched a few interviews from the lads over the years, this is the interview that made me subscribe. Agree with Kelsi or not, her convictions are real, and the boys gave her room to say her piece, and I can make my own decision about the content put forward to me. Seriously high quality work.
I have to say I have been listening to Triggernometry for about a year now and its done very professionally and is quite successful from what I hear. The interviews are interesting and relevant even when I have no idea who they are interviewing. Very well done.
Kelsi is a fascinating person and her views come from someone who has seen the reality of what it is like when you have felt manically suicidal and without hope. She has also experienced what can go wrong when a country (Canada) takes an extreme approach to liberalism without understanding the consequences.
I can then understand where she is coming from and why she is opposed to any form of State assisted dying, because she doesn't trust her Country's authorities to do it right. The Government and bureaucracy of Canada has manifested so many authoritarian and marxist traits and has done it all by stealth behind the likes of that petulant man child, Trudeau.
I, like Konstantin, feel the ability to choose how to die can, and should be, implemented in a way that manages morally. But who decides the morals. In Australia, where this is handled by the States, and Territories, we have 8 different policies ranging across the spectrum of availability. there is no easy answer.
Kelsi is driven by her history and the fact that she is living in a Country of extreme ideology, so go easy on the criticisms, because she has, and is, living all this in the real world.
There are a lot of issues raised on this interview. As far as the 7.3% of Quebec being euthanized, the population is 9 million. 7.3% of 9 million is 657,000. This is not the 4800 she mentioned so I assume shes talking about a subset of the Quebec population - maybe the old age home people cuz I have heard there is alot of MAID in Quebec old age homes.
Even if it was only Qubec city, it's still 0.7%, not near 7% of the city. However, 7% of deaths in the province of Quebec being from MAID is still a worrying statistic.
In our modern affluent society most people live to old age and see the end coming. If 30% of people wished to avoid the physical and mental infirmities of the last few years of life by choosing the date and manner of their death, I support that choice. I saw how my parents died, and I would have chosen to avoid either of their last 6-12 months. I plan to.
LOL upon further review, she says 7.3% of the province of Quebec died from MAID. Her words are wrong. Based on the chart shown in the video, it is 7.3% of all the DEATHS that occurred in the province of Quebec from April 2023-March 2024 were done via MAID. Apparently words matter.
But compare the previous death rates for cancer, etc. If these MAID deaths are actually for people whose deaths were imminent anyway, then the total deaths shouldn’t diverge. It’s a matter of a change in ultimate cause of death.
Hey Triggernometry fellas. I’m sorry to tell you this, but Kelsi gets about 80% of what she says about MAiD 100% wrong. If you actually value truth, I’d suggest you talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. No, 12-year olds can’t walk in and get MAiD, and never will. No, people aren’t given a paralytic first, and they don’t drown to death—we know this as fact. No, this is not to get rid of the poor or unwanted—quite the opposite—people who have MAiD are far more likely to be white and wealth than the general population. Just like all areas of health care, disadvantaged and vulnerable folks are far less likely to be able to access MAiD.
Kelsi is wildly misinformed, and you are allowing her to misinform your audience. If you want to talk to someone who actually knows the facts, I will gladly offer my time. In the meantime, here is an article about just how wildy misinformed Kelsi is about MAiD in Canada. I can be reached at MAiDinCanada2016@outlook.com
Thank you for providing such a perfect case study in confirmation bias, generously sprinkled with scientific illiteracy. Judging by your comment, it seems you wholeheartedly buy into Kelsey Sheren’s baseless claims that MAiD is a tool to target the poor, the disabled, veterans, or anyone she decides is a target of groups like Dying With Dignity or the Liberal Party.
But here’s the thing: the facts—actual, verifiable statistics—show the opposite. MAiD is predominantly accessed by a more affluent, white, and far less disadvantaged demographic than the general population. Yet, somehow, despite this evidence, you still cling to your conclusion that MAiD is targeting specific groups. Whether it’s Sharon’s claim that it targets the marginalized or the clear data showing it’s accessed more by the privileged, you miraculously twist the narrative to suit your predetermined belief. That’s confirmation bias at its finest: when the facts don’t matter because your opinion is carved in stone.
On top of that, your reasoning demonstrates a lack of basic understanding about healthcare access. In Canada—like most places—access to healthcare often reflects privilege. Those with higher education, stable housing, regular access to primary care, and the time and resources to navigate the system are more likely to access all forms of healthcare, whether it’s specialist care, palliative care, or MAiD. I hope that one day those who are disadvantaged in our society have the same access to MAiD (and all other health care services) as the more privileged. Equal access for everyone. But that's not the case right now.
This isn’t proof of MAiD “targeting” anyone. It’s a reflection of broader systemic inequities in healthcare. The same inequities that exist everywhere. Pretending otherwise isn’t just disingenuous—it’s willfully ignoring reality to fit a convenient but utterly false narrative.
My mother will be 90 in May. She has been ravaged by dementia, and is no longer the person she was. She is in a dedicated care home. She is comfortable, can still walk with a walker, but can no longer really talk. She does not recognize us anymore except to understand that we are people she knows. She has no memory, she has even lost most of her long term memories. If we are visiting, and I leave for a moment to go to the bathroom, when she sees me again, it's like for the first time again. She has no bladder or bowel control anymore, and she is now entering the phase where she is eating very little and losing weight noticeably. Thankfully, my parents were frugal and saved enough to fund the care. My brothers and I have discussed MAID, but so long as she is not in pain, and is not bed-ridden, we will just see how this develops. Being almost 90 years old, I suspect that she has little time left anyway. It's very, very hard to know what is best.
She said 7.3% of the population were killed through MAID in Quebec, when the stat was actually 7.3% of total deaths in Quebec were the result of MAID. Very, very different thing.
Great interview, I keep thinking about the film "Soylent Green", with MAID you can walk in and order your own death, major podcasts advertise "green powder" as food supplement, what happens when its successful and sold to a non caring multinational that uses "ingredients" supplied from other countries, in times of high tech, high famine, low morals it could all hit the fan.Thanks Guys.
I have to say I’m not a big fan of the opinions on assisted suicide expressed by this guest. I can’t speak to the particulars of the MAID program, as I am not a Canadian citizen. And I will readily acknowledge that every government program and the bureaucracy which accompanies it, despite whatever good intentions may have led to its creation, are vulnerable to misapplication and a myriad of abuses. Given the sensitivity of assisted suicide, vigilant oversight is critical and implemented through the most humane methods available.
What I take issue with is Ms. Sheren’s wholesale condemnation (repeatedly punctuated with her “Period Full stop” dismissal of any opposing viewpoint) of assisted suicide and the right of every individual to die with dignity and free of intractable pain, be it physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. I respect the guest’s personal opinions on the subject. She has clearly endured her own life challenges but her position on the subject is undoubtedly biased by personal experience. Her experiences are just that — her experiences — and she is misguided in thinking she can project her experiences and the moral/ethical positions derived from those experiences onto others.
I have my own life experiences and my position on the subject of assisted suicide has been given careful consideration over many years. When my final day comes (and my day is likely approaching much sooner than Ms. Sheren’s), I want the freedom and autonomy to go out on my own terms. And I damn sure don’t want some activist imposing their religious views or moral values on me to deny me that right. For all those seeking to deny me the right to die peacefully at a place and time of my choosing, please provide an address so I can hang myself in your garage or blow my brains out in your living room and spare my loved ones the trauma.
She expresses herself in a very confrontational 'I'm right, you're wrong' kinda way and mixes many issues together ADHD style. MAID track 1 (death is reasonably foreseeable) is very different from MAID track 2 (death does not have to be reasonably foreseeable). It sounds like she is ranting about track 2. I would not want MAID to be denied to track 1 physical ailments because of track 2 fears.
Well said! I was quite shocked when she expressed the view around the person campaigning for an assisted dying law should just go kill themselves rather than try to change the legislation. For anyone who has seriously considered suicide or has watched loved ones suffer with no hope of a better life, “just killing yourself” comes with a whole lot of problems and allowing for a legal and less traumatic way out of this world seems reasonable to me - although I don’t think I’d want it to apply to anyone who wasn’t already terminal. As an example, I wish my dad had been given access to assisted dying. He had terminal cancer but was terrified of hospitals or a long and lingering death so he begged my mum to kill him. This put my mum in an awful position. Needless to say, she refused but I think we were all agreed as a family (I was age 10 at the time) that some sort of legal assisted dying would be welcome.
I agree wholeheartedly with your take here. People should have a right to end their lives in the manner of their choosing, with some reasonable but not excessive precautions.
You may diverge from me here, but I personally own a gun in part to ensure that I have control over my living and dying. (I have a wonderful life and family and two kids and hope to live to 90 or older, to be clear).
However, my younger brother committed suicide 12 years ago at age 26 and he had to go through many painful attempts prior to succeeding and the ultimate method he had to use (helium tank and plastic bags) puts a chill into me whenever I think of it. I actually think he was correct in thinking he was not going to have a happy life regardless of any interventions, and I feel he should have had the right to end his life more humanely, at his own expense and after reasonable precautions were taken.
This interview is akin to Tucker Carlson’s Darryl Cooper interview. If you are going to cover something this inflammatory and controversial, letting someone this paranoid, cynical, biased, and just plain lacking accurate facts speak in such an unchallenged way, you need to rethink the “we are the antidote to the mainstream media” agenda.
MAID is a nuanced topic and this woman is incapable of nuance. As a Canadian, I am getting really tired of the podcasts that are platforming the notion that we are killing citizens for convenience and saving money. The guest clearly implies that this is a coordinated effort on the part of the “system”Are there bad actors, quite possibly. However, it is critical to throughly substantiate claims rather than fear mongering.
Her comment “I’m am not a doctor” says it all about her lack of information regarding the administration of drugs.
If there truly is a problem in Canada with MAID, I want the facts, not the hysterics.
We're all about the facts at MAiD in Canada. Check us out. https://maidincanada.substack.com/
I had surgery under "twighlight" anesthesia, that is a combination of opioid midazolam to remove fear and render you unable to communicate, and well as low dose paralytics that were required for the surgery itself. I had a paradoxical reaction to the drugs, and instead of thigh light, I got hyperalert, but paralysed. It was only in this point when I understood the pain medication they were using was intravenous paracetamol. Unfortunately, in my case paracetamol has almost no effect in controlling pain. You can imagine the rest. The surgery took roughly an hour, and left me with a PTSD, as well as deep distrust in medical staff that outright ridiculed me claiming I had been in deeply relaxed state.
Now, decade after the incident, this interview rings home all too well. You have no idea one feels like unable communicate what's going on, in unbelievable pain, with no hope but that of others realising you're in distress, and realising they believe you're peaceful. To die like that, is the worst of cruelty. Its inhumane, sadistic torture, and I truly hope the message gets across quickly, as trust me, you really do not want to die like that.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that. It’s hard to imagine a worse torture.
Asphyxiation via nitrogen or helium guarantees loss of consciousness and a painless death. I don’t understand why this isn’t the preferred method of euthanasia (and capital punishment).
I have said the same thing to my wife. I said that when I decide to go, I will go to the party store and buy a helium tank, and then run it through my CPAP mask and go to sleep on the couch. All that needs to be done after I am gone is to take off the mask and throw the tank away.
I’ve watched a few interviews from the lads over the years, this is the interview that made me subscribe. Agree with Kelsi or not, her convictions are real, and the boys gave her room to say her piece, and I can make my own decision about the content put forward to me. Seriously high quality work.
I have to say I have been listening to Triggernometry for about a year now and its done very professionally and is quite successful from what I hear. The interviews are interesting and relevant even when I have no idea who they are interviewing. Very well done.
Kelsi is a fascinating person and her views come from someone who has seen the reality of what it is like when you have felt manically suicidal and without hope. She has also experienced what can go wrong when a country (Canada) takes an extreme approach to liberalism without understanding the consequences.
I can then understand where she is coming from and why she is opposed to any form of State assisted dying, because she doesn't trust her Country's authorities to do it right. The Government and bureaucracy of Canada has manifested so many authoritarian and marxist traits and has done it all by stealth behind the likes of that petulant man child, Trudeau.
I, like Konstantin, feel the ability to choose how to die can, and should be, implemented in a way that manages morally. But who decides the morals. In Australia, where this is handled by the States, and Territories, we have 8 different policies ranging across the spectrum of availability. there is no easy answer.
Kelsi is driven by her history and the fact that she is living in a Country of extreme ideology, so go easy on the criticisms, because she has, and is, living all this in the real world.
There are a lot of issues raised on this interview. As far as the 7.3% of Quebec being euthanized, the population is 9 million. 7.3% of 9 million is 657,000. This is not the 4800 she mentioned so I assume shes talking about a subset of the Quebec population - maybe the old age home people cuz I have heard there is alot of MAID in Quebec old age homes.
Even if it was only Qubec city, it's still 0.7%, not near 7% of the city. However, 7% of deaths in the province of Quebec being from MAID is still a worrying statistic.
In our modern affluent society most people live to old age and see the end coming. If 30% of people wished to avoid the physical and mental infirmities of the last few years of life by choosing the date and manner of their death, I support that choice. I saw how my parents died, and I would have chosen to avoid either of their last 6-12 months. I plan to.
I would assume she meant quebec city, the maths would make more sense.
LOL upon further review, she says 7.3% of the province of Quebec died from MAID. Her words are wrong. Based on the chart shown in the video, it is 7.3% of all the DEATHS that occurred in the province of Quebec from April 2023-March 2024 were done via MAID. Apparently words matter.
ah, fair play. but wowsers, thats still f'd up!
But compare the previous death rates for cancer, etc. If these MAID deaths are actually for people whose deaths were imminent anyway, then the total deaths shouldn’t diverge. It’s a matter of a change in ultimate cause of death.
Hey Triggernometry fellas. I’m sorry to tell you this, but Kelsi gets about 80% of what she says about MAiD 100% wrong. If you actually value truth, I’d suggest you talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. No, 12-year olds can’t walk in and get MAiD, and never will. No, people aren’t given a paralytic first, and they don’t drown to death—we know this as fact. No, this is not to get rid of the poor or unwanted—quite the opposite—people who have MAiD are far more likely to be white and wealth than the general population. Just like all areas of health care, disadvantaged and vulnerable folks are far less likely to be able to access MAiD.
Kelsi is wildly misinformed, and you are allowing her to misinform your audience. If you want to talk to someone who actually knows the facts, I will gladly offer my time. In the meantime, here is an article about just how wildy misinformed Kelsi is about MAiD in Canada. I can be reached at MAiDinCanada2016@outlook.com
https://maidincanada.substack.com/p/the-horrifying-misinformation-about
So you just blatantly admit this effectively a form of genocide targeting a certain demographic. Lol.
Thank you for providing such a perfect case study in confirmation bias, generously sprinkled with scientific illiteracy. Judging by your comment, it seems you wholeheartedly buy into Kelsey Sheren’s baseless claims that MAiD is a tool to target the poor, the disabled, veterans, or anyone she decides is a target of groups like Dying With Dignity or the Liberal Party.
But here’s the thing: the facts—actual, verifiable statistics—show the opposite. MAiD is predominantly accessed by a more affluent, white, and far less disadvantaged demographic than the general population. Yet, somehow, despite this evidence, you still cling to your conclusion that MAiD is targeting specific groups. Whether it’s Sharon’s claim that it targets the marginalized or the clear data showing it’s accessed more by the privileged, you miraculously twist the narrative to suit your predetermined belief. That’s confirmation bias at its finest: when the facts don’t matter because your opinion is carved in stone.
On top of that, your reasoning demonstrates a lack of basic understanding about healthcare access. In Canada—like most places—access to healthcare often reflects privilege. Those with higher education, stable housing, regular access to primary care, and the time and resources to navigate the system are more likely to access all forms of healthcare, whether it’s specialist care, palliative care, or MAiD. I hope that one day those who are disadvantaged in our society have the same access to MAiD (and all other health care services) as the more privileged. Equal access for everyone. But that's not the case right now.
This isn’t proof of MAiD “targeting” anyone. It’s a reflection of broader systemic inequities in healthcare. The same inequities that exist everywhere. Pretending otherwise isn’t just disingenuous—it’s willfully ignoring reality to fit a convenient but utterly false narrative.
The whole rings a bell, you will own nothing and be happy
It’s sounds like Logan’s run
I think Kelsi misspoke on the 7% stat. I think she might mean 7% of deaths were MAID. Not 7% of the population was put to death.
Whilst probably being an innocent miss use of language I think this video needs an edit or overlay to clarify the point.
My mother will be 90 in May. She has been ravaged by dementia, and is no longer the person she was. She is in a dedicated care home. She is comfortable, can still walk with a walker, but can no longer really talk. She does not recognize us anymore except to understand that we are people she knows. She has no memory, she has even lost most of her long term memories. If we are visiting, and I leave for a moment to go to the bathroom, when she sees me again, it's like for the first time again. She has no bladder or bowel control anymore, and she is now entering the phase where she is eating very little and losing weight noticeably. Thankfully, my parents were frugal and saved enough to fund the care. My brothers and I have discussed MAID, but so long as she is not in pain, and is not bed-ridden, we will just see how this develops. Being almost 90 years old, I suspect that she has little time left anyway. It's very, very hard to know what is best.
She said 7.3% of the population were killed through MAID in Quebec, when the stat was actually 7.3% of total deaths in Quebec were the result of MAID. Very, very different thing.
Great interview, I keep thinking about the film "Soylent Green", with MAID you can walk in and order your own death, major podcasts advertise "green powder" as food supplement, what happens when its successful and sold to a non caring multinational that uses "ingredients" supplied from other countries, in times of high tech, high famine, low morals it could all hit the fan.Thanks Guys.